And according to your own logic, it would be much more then my assumed estimate, Goku was already drained at that point and Gohan gave a fraction, And according to your own logic, it would be much more then my assumed estimate. Why did I watch this as a kid, thinking Kid Buu was his most powerful form? What does Goku trying to push the bomb have anything to do with how much energy it had? Vegeta tells Goku he cannot move and to throw the bomb without worrying about him. Me arguing that Kid Buu>> the characters you claim him to be inferior to in order to say he isn't the strongest Buu? You know how DBZ works. He asked to fight Son Goten and Trunks, and after trying to stall him (during which time Super Buu unleashed the Human Extinction Attac… discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. A lot of it has to do with it being said Kid Buu is more dangerous than Super Buu. Taking advantage of this, Kid Buu goes and steps on Vegeta, and laughs while holding him hostage. Kid Buu broke that tradition by being the first final form in a saga to be the weaker than a previous form. Neither is likely to outright destroy the other since they won't be serious enough. Just like how they had Gohan in a beam battle with a weaker Cell. Pure Evil Boo and Innocent Boo are weaker than Pure Boo too, not just Mr. Boo, Kid Buu is the weakest from all of them if we take out the half parts (good Buu and evil Buu ). Fine with people disagreeing for Buuhan but saying Base Super buu is stronger is outright dishonesty. Dub and I think it's assumed that the final baddie is the strongest guy. Good Buu (Mr. Buu). https://i.gyazo.com/8fb9d89b016b4995dded4d29ae7ec7ab.png. As for the evidence that SSJ3 Goku could beat Super Buu. Kid Buu fires many Ki Blasts, each one larger than the previous, at Goku, who tries to dodge the… Super Buu, Goku was scared to fight him without fusion while he was confident to fight Kid Buu 1 on 1. I've literally agreed that Buuhan> by feats alone 2 pages ago so I don't see your point here. It's fucking basic powerscaling. And yeah, it's why I'm saying that genki is showcased to be stronger than it's source. And earlier he was mocking and laughing at Super Buu with Piccolo absorbed and even powered down to Base in front of him like yeah my son can one shot you now. Kid Buu (weaker by a slight margin) = Pure Evil Buu. Kid Buu is like the second weakest form of Buu we ever saw stronger than only Mr. Buu (the good buu thats still around in Super). The fact that you have to switch the subject and gloss over many of the points I make is prove of that. Or half the stuff from nonsense like DBS with certain characters being able to fight on par with characters they have no business being as strong as. All I am doing is putting out feats that actually happen, Kid Buu factually couldn't manhandle Goku the same way he did to Vegeta and Fat Buu, Literally just going by feats and not pointless statements, You tried to pull out every trick in the bag including "bullets hurting Buu" lol, Your original premise was Kid Buu > Buuhan, At best, your flawed logic would get him above Gohan, And if Buu hand is relative to Gohan, he would obviously resist it. Goku at first gathers the energy from the Z fighters and everyone at Kami's lookout, and says it's not enough and won't be able to defeat Buu with this alone. Kid Buu wins, against current fit buu. Even Goku was still wanting Gohan and Gotenks to fight with them together just against Kid Buu by himself. Tien used Ki for the Tri Beam though, not Genki which is what the Spirit bomb utilizes. It was plot. Kid Buu and SSJ3 Goku are on the same level but Kid Buu has the advantage due to regen and stamina. I'll get back to you on the rest later If I remember and if I don't it was a fun discussion nonetheless so thanks for that. It's your head canon that Gohan can give up every last drop of ki . if you think about it he wasnt a menace tbh, Gohan coulda destroy him, even Gotenks. Dude, you are the one using head canon based on nothing but statements based on assumptions that are dis-proven by feats, But you can't even prove is even close to Buutenks level using feats, And all of your scans are revolved around statements and not actual feats. @wushu59: I never argued that Kid Buu has better feats ever, but that by everything including in verse statements that I see no definitive reason to dismiss, he should be stronger. However, after absorbing the Grand Supreme Kai, he was transformed into a less evil force by the Kai's influence and was later seale… It's not really headcanon though. Now, Super Buu is the same as Fat Buu, but without the GSK's effects making him innocent and restraining his power. It is Super Buu. Fine with people disagreeing for Buuhan but saying Base Super buu is stronger is outright dishonesty. The evil mage Bibidi knew how to summon and control him and eventually used him to slaughter most of the Supreme Kais. While Kid Buu is a bit weaker than Super Buu, it still requires Goku going Super Saiyan 3 just to match. And ignoring the points I've made about Buutenks and Buuhan. Vegeta told the humans on earth that giving all their genki would be akin to the tiredness felt after going on a run. The Evil Buu eats the good Majin Buu and gains his power, thus becoming Super Buu. Buuhan is vastly superior to Buutenks. Good Buu fights the Evil Buu. Withdrawing a sword he slices Xeno Majin Buu in half before turning his attention towards Xeno Goku who rushes in to attack hi… Then Gohan would be giving a fraction of his energy. I can accept Kid Buu>Base Super Buu but there's no way Buuhan is weaker than Kid Buu.My view on the matter too When Majin Buu expelled his evil and became the pure-hearted Good Buu, he tried utilizing it to finish Evil Buu, but it failed and backfired causing Good Buu's downfall and the result of Super Buu. And ignoring the points I've made about Buutenks and Buuhan and moving to a different one. Goku was already drained at that point and Gohan gave a fraction, You have yet to provide a single reason as to why Gohan would hold back in such a situation or show that he gave only a fraction however Goku's request is explicity asking for all the energy he can, and the genki =/= ki I've already talked about. At most, above base Super Buu. I don't know how hard this is to get. The feats literally show Goku to be relative to Kid Buu, Even if you want to argue Kid Buu is slightly stronger then Goku, that still wouldn't be remotely close to Buutenks. Doesn't contradict the several statements including one from Toriyama himself saying that Kid Buu was the strongest on stage at that point in DBZ. WHY DO PEOPLE STILL HAVE TROUBLE WITH THIS!? That's all the evidence you really need. Anyone who says kid buu is stronger doesn't know how to pay attention to shows. "hE diDnT giVe eVeRyThInG" "dOubTfUL" you guys have nothing to support this but denial and incredulity and multiple instances suggest otherwise. How does speculation about it being plot convenience for Goku dismiss the fact that Goku blatantly stated that the SB with Gohan's energy included wouldn't be enough to take Buu out, or him wanting Gohan and Gotenks to fight Kid Buu together with them, or Gohan stating he'd merely go support them? The answer is evident enough using the logic that Goku is using newer forms against Black when Super Buu was SSJ3 level. I've been arguing about and using stuff from DB Kai here so not really interested in anything about GT. it wasn't due to how strong Buu is whatsoever; Complete headcanon to assume it is so this is kinda a pointless argument, being one of the 3 parts that make up something =/= being 1/3 of it and that's that. Although another interesting to note though is that Kibito stated that Buu went as far as lowering his power through his absorption(s), and although this could be referring to Fat Buu whom is inferior to Kid Buu, Kid Buu actually absorbed South Kai and become Buff Buu first IIRC, so this is pretty ambiguous. Or characters with immense strength and capabilities. Xeno Goku faces off against Xeno Majin Buu having now merged with the Three-Star Dark Dragon Ball in battle. A lot of people say Kid Buu is the strongest Buu period. Otherwise he would have attacked him and killed him. My friend, he mocked Super Buu because he knew he had a monster in his son right next to him. Lol Goku was literally laughing at how Buupiccolo couldn't defeat him and even powered down, but I guess later inside Buu it does seem to be contradicted, you take your pick for which you want to believe amidst DB's laughably terrible and inconsistent writing. I put statement > feats by accident in my initial post. Both Goku and Vegeta felt confident enough that SSJ3 Goku would be able to beat Kid Buu once he had revved up enough power. Boomstick: And Kid Buu, Ultimate Pink Terror. If you don't agree with statements when they seem credible like I do, obviously this is kinda pointless lol. I really don't understand the logic behind this Kid Buu wank. I'm not saying Goku reached Buuhan level (maybe after the last zenkai in the series when Dende restores his energy and he overpowers a serious Kid Buu as SS1 and then Daizenshuu states Goku as the strongest but that's kinda irrelevant here), but I don't think he has to be to fight with a Kid Buu that's been goofing off. However, he notices Vegeta lying on the ground after being injured trying to distract Kid Buu. Billions of sub-wall level humans and rock level plants doesn't even add up to planet level, let alone multi solar system or galaxy level. But I don't think full contact necessarily means Kid Buu himself was going at full power and his demeanor kinda suggested otherwise. Because Goku is a lot stronger than those two. Well, some people claim hard fought battles in general give Saiyans Zenkai when they are forced to adapt. If he was so superior Goku should've been confident in him soloing like he was when against Buupiccolo, or Gohan when he fought Base Super Buu, yet it's not the case against Kid Buu at all. Ultra Buu (Buff Buu) Buuccolo. They were about equals. This would make way more sense than Kid Buu just being stronger than Mystic Gohan and everyone else combined lmao. 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